Talk:Graviton
Not sure should gravitons exist in PS, considering that they aren't really thought to exist by the modern physics. Especially if you consider Eintein's laws. I think we should just stick to what Einstein figured out and leave these gravitons out.
Gravitons are predicted by other theories - while Einstein figured a lot of shit out, you do know that Quantum Mechanics for an example does not jive with his theories at all, yet it's proven true. Gravitons haven't been verified by current physics, but this is science fiction so anything goes as long as it's plausible. Plus how else are you going to explain anti-gravity drives? Synthesized dark energy? That's even more far fetched. -- Shok
(oh, and never mind the way the vast majority of all the basic technology we have in PS, such as FTL drives, hyperspace, interdimensional travel, particle disruptors, zero-point fields, zeromatter fields, etc. go against not only Einstein, but almost all other established theories of physics as well.)
Well anti-gravity can be sort of a explained with Einstein's gravity theory, by producing a device that can fold the space around the object, allowing it to float. And of course none of the theories of physics can ever be proven true, so using them is always unsure as they can change so easily. This though allows us to use stuff that would work despite the current "laws" of physics.
One possibility could be to keep the gravitons, but have them still be just theoretical and make the other side believe in the Einstein's theory or however actually figured it out first in the PS universe. This way nothing would have really changed in this particular area.
-MG2
"Folding space" would require incredible amounts of energy and/or mass, as you know is the case with black holes. It would be a pretty funny universe where a passing hovercar can cause time-dilation effects and reshape the fabric of space and time with a sunday drive around town, nevermind a dangerous one. I've attempted to consciously avoid the problem of incredible energy levels required for antigravity field generation by invoking the quantum particle of gravity, and then pulling some substance out of my ass that can release anti-gravitons naturally. This is what Star Wars does to some degree with its "tibanna gas", but I was thinking our anti-gravity substance should be more exotic in nature. "Folding space" is not the answer in any case.
-- Shok
I think we should keep gravitons as something that's (still) purely theoretical, and that all anti-gravity stuff just works, but it's not entirely sure how. Sure, it's a cheap way to fix this gravitons vs. the theory of relativity, but that's also the today's world. Guess I, and many others too, have just difficulty in believing in these gravitons. One possibility is also that there are really no real anti-gravity stuff, just something that works in similar ways (like engines keeping the vehicle slightly above air, jetpacks, etc.). A problematic subject as it's still something that physicists haven't agreed on.
--Mad Gigerdi 2 17:05, 21 Aug 2009 (EEST)
anti-gravity
anti-gravity can be explained away with regular engines I guess but how do you explain inertial dampers and the artificial gravity that seems to be aboard every starship and space station? it requires some sort of a field of something that creates local gravity. it's also completely against modern physics. so yeah ... what causes that if it isn't gravitons?
- Shok 46 15:01, 22 Aug 2009 (EEST)
Gremlins? Could be something else than gravitons, maybe they don't exactly know what causes it? It could really be anything, or nothing. I guess I just don't fancy the idea of using gravitons and rather would just leave it blank if something. Studying the whole theory of relativity is a bit too much work too, although I'm planning on taking a course on it.
I'll see if I can get back to this subject, once again, later.
--Mad Gigerdi 2 18:50, 23 Aug 2009 (EEST)
